and ronald reagan didn't go to war with the soviets. he actually was the one i convinced the soviets that it was pointless to go to war with us, or to try to out build us. the real issue here is how credible is the united states going to be? if you want to pivot to asia, you want to cut the defense budget, you tell me how those to add up. because i can't figure it out. >> let me follow up on the iran point for just a moment. and ask both of you, what should the ultimate objective of u.s. policy in iran be? should it be a nonnuclear iran? should be a regime change? can we live with us, and iran if it's not pursuing a nuclear weapon? >> the president said we would not accept a rare with a nuclear weapon. there are a lot of other issues on the agenda with iran, international terrorism, cracking down on its people, but it seems to me the issues that were most focus on, among many, it is the nuclear issue and preventing iran from having a nuclear weapon. the governor has taken a multitude of positions on iran, including agreeing with the pre